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Dec 10, 2025

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‘Separation Of Church And State Is So Stupid’: National Radio Host Joe Pags Goes Off

A video shared in Dec. 2024 showed nationally syndicated radio host Joe Pags of “The Joe Pags Show” going off about the separation of church and state, and how the whole argument in favor of this idea is “so stupid.” Pags was in the middle of interviewing The Modern Memo’s managing editor Kay Hill about the explosive growth in Christian and faith-based entertainment in Hollywood when the topic turned to the separation of church and state. “The argument about the separation of church and state is so stupid. It is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen,” Pags told Hill. “The argument from Satanists and from from the atheists, and from those who are just stupid, is that somehow the First Amendment requires that you can never be religious in public, and a public place funded by taxpayers can’t show any religious beliefs either.” “That’s not true,” Pags said of the argument. “It simply says ‘Congress shall pass no law establishing a religion,’ nor getting in the way of our means of worshipping how we see fit.” (RELATED LINK WILL GO HERE) “So the idea that somehow separated religion from state isn’t true. The whole separation of church and state … was a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to a church saying, ‘we’re not going to get in the way of what you’re doing.’ It had nothing to do with not wearing a cross if you’re a congressmember.” What’s up? — TheModernMemo (@TheModernMemo) December 31, 2024 Pags gave other examples of how the concept of “separation of church and state” is misguided in the modern interpretation, honing in on how he believes the American system is based on the Magna Carta that mentions God throughout. Watch the full interview here:

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